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 Rule Change ID Submitted From Comment
103June 25, 2021Walt

Bouncing the ball to serve is an insult to our wonderful game. I can’t imagine who would suggest such a rule. This is not little league baseball and is embarrassing for me to even watch. We have a player with only one arm. The only way he can serve is by dropping the ball. This is the only time dropping the ball on a serve should be allowed.

97June 28, 2021Vaunette

Upon retirement of a match, points that were scored should stand. For example, if the game score was 8-6 once a individual/team retires the score should NOT suddenly become 11-0.

23June 6, 2021Tracey

I agree with reinstating the service let call. I haven’t played with anyone that likes it.

20June 28, 2021Tom

Suggestion to leave drop serve BUT have it follow ALL OTHER RULES for serving ..
ALL OTHER SERVICE RULES APPLY including 4.A.3, 4.A.4 & 4.A.5
WHY THIS CHANGE:

One of the great parts of pickleball is that the rules encourage long rally’s between the players. A key component of this is the service rules in effect prior to 2021. In essence the server was unable to dominate a point solely with their serve. Combined with the two bounce rule and the No Volley Zone rules, this makes pickleball a game of shot exchanges and shot positioning rather than of power. The 2021 provisional rule allowed a power serve to suddenly become a part of the game and threatens to create a “serve and volley” environment.
A second major part of the joy of pickleball is that the rules are such that there is not a great advantage provided naturally to the stronger male player. Mixed gender, and mixed generational play is lots of fun and I have played in all sorts of gender and age combinations without feeling that oh rats there is a youngster or a women on my team, now we are in going to get overwhelmed by the men on the other side… the service rules are a significant part of that joy and if one allows drop serves to have all sorts of spins and power moves that are not available with the service rules prior to 2021, then power and gender and age become greater factors hurting the game.
A third aspect to the pickleball rules prior to 2021 was that the serving team is at a slight disadvantage in that they cannot over power their opponent with their serve AND they have to wait for the return to bounce, allowing the return team to take the net. At the same time, the serving team is the only one to score a point toward victory, thus points have special value as to win a point, you have to overcome a disadvantage. This is unique to pickleball and is a great part of the game.
Simplicity. I teach beginning pickleball all the time. When I get to teaching how to serve, you explain the three rules (below belly button, upward motion, below the wrist) and then you have to say, but then there is also this other way and anything goes??? that’s nuts.
I agree that for some players, especially beginners, it is easier to serve off the bounce, so let a drop serve be allowed but DO NOT allow them to hit the serve any way they want, keep it low to high, below the belly button and below the wrist.

52June 27, 2021Tim

I’m a Level 2 referee. I would leave time outs at 60 seconds total but increase the notice to 20 seconds from the current 15 seconds to give players more time to know they must return to the court to resume play.

112June 27, 2021Tim

I think this proposed change has some merit. I’m also a referee and it would make our jobs a little easier. Starting servers on each team would still wear the server bands (as the #1 server throughout the game) and keeping track of correct player positions would still be necessary for refs and players. But, it would certainly make determining who is the correct server easier for all concerned.

112July 8, 2021Tim

A big advantage of this would be that BOTH TEAMS know exactly where to stand and exactly who is serving just by knowing the score.

40July 6, 2021Terry

I believe the rule should stand to equalize the potential scoring possibilities for the first serving team compared to the receiving team

7July 6, 2021Terry

I agree with change.

103June 25, 2021Sydney

I think it is unnecessary to change the serve format. You are meddling with the guts and integrity of the game. A big part of the reward in sports is mastery of the game, not changing it!

20June 2, 2021Stan

Bob,

Saw on Facebook that you are taking feedback on the Drop Serve. Here's my view from each perspective:
Player - LOVE it. It has helped me and many others overcome the yips. It also relieves some legality anxiety because the focus is just on dropping the ball where it can be seen by the returner. The bonus is that it gives players an option to mix up their serving game and have more fun and grow confidence.
Instructor - LOVE it. I introduce pickleball to a lot of beginners and many of them have never had any racquet sport experience. The Drop Serve is easy to explain, show, and execute. The beginners and novice players that I have worked with find it simpler and more user-friendly. That builds their confidence and adds to the fun.
Referee - LOVE it. I watch the drop for no propulsion and then go to the feet to ensure no foot fault. Less to analyze and my focus is even sharper.
Giving players some options is a good thing for the game. I have not seen any unfair advantage caused by a player using the drop serve. It's fun, it's easy to learn, and it's fair. Let's keep it!

Hope all goes well in Indy this weekend and look forward to seeing you in Hoover next week. Safe travels!

Stan Brown
Birmingham, AL

63June 25, 2021Sam

I believe clarification is needed about whether service switches to the other team member each time a team gains possession of the ball for serving or if one team member continues to serve for the entire game. Also, whether service during a possession always starts from the right side of the court or starts from whichever side the designated server is currently on.

127June 27, 2021Robert

This rule change should be adapted in the spirit of fair play, sportsmanship, and safety

174June 27, 2021Robert

I do not like this proposed rule change as I feel it would give too much advantage to the team which serves 1st

109June 27, 2021Robert

I totally agree that the underhand serve is commonly violated to gain speed, lower trajectory, and increase ball spin. I also agree that the hip vs waist change might help. However I feel that the main violation is that the underhand motion requirement is the the most violated principal. Most servers are using a side arm motion and bringing the paddle across the body during the follow through instead of maintaining the specified underhand motion. I believe that the follow through should continue a upward motion after the initial contact with the ball

63June 27, 2021Robert

I agree with this proposal 100%. Side out scoring is the most confusing rule in pickleball. Rally point scoring is simpler and more fair. Why shouldn't whichever team wins s rally get a point. Let's follow the example of volleyball and badminton and adopt rally scoring.

25June 27, 2021Robert

I agree with this proposal 100%. As a senior, 71 yrs, I cannot physically cover the entire court to play a singles game on a doubles size court. Living in a rural area, I find it nearly impossible to find a doubles partner. Therefore the only type of tournament that I have been able to participate in are scrambles where I don't have to have my own partner. Please adopt this rule, at least in senior divisions, so I can play in more tournaments

63July 16, 2021Praveen

I totally agree with all the points outlined above. Plus the beauty of our sport is its inclusiveness to all skill level, age, socioeconomic status / very accessible financially compared to many other sports. And the biggest related reason is because it’s so popular with people waiting on the sidelines, you can end games quicker & rotate in faster so more inclusive that way, too.

40June 3, 2021Peter

I do not see the benefit of the second serve. Pickleball is not tennis and it will slow down the game (many times, players are waiting for the game to conclude, due to limited court availability).

39June 25, 2021Paul

I agree with the proposed change. "No volley" more correctly defines the zone than does "Non volley"

94July 2, 2021Paul

The problem with the current rule is that the 10 second clock automatically runs, and that encourages "quick serving" and unsportsmanlike conduct.

94July 2, 2021Paul

The problem with the current rule is that it encourages "quick serving" and unsportsmanlike conduct. Recently at the Boise Regional (at game point, 10-7), the referee called the score, calling it as 10-7-1. We believed it was 10-7-2. I immediately placed my hand in the air and made eye contact with the referee and began inquiring about whether the server was a 1 or 2. The opposing team, realizing that my hand was in the air and that I was completely unprepared, immediately "quick served" me and won the point as the ball bounced through my side of the court. The referee said that once the score was called, I could not raise my hand. I asked about whether it was good sportsmanship to "quick serve" an obviously unprepared opponent, and he said that was a different issue. I believe that the rule should be changed to allow a good faith inquiry about what the score is after it is called and that the 10 second clock should be "tolled" or stopped while that inquiry is sorted out. The rules should not encourage "quick serving", which in any other sport would be viewed as bad sportsmanship -- not to mention, not particularly good viewing for spectators.

A similar problem exists coming out of the time out. The rule as currently written seemingly requires the referee to call that score 60 seconds after the time out is called - even if the players are unprepared. And then the serving team can again "quick serve" the opposition, even if they are unprepared. Most referees use common sense and don't call the score if one team is unprepared at 60 seconds. But the rule as written seems to cut off that discretion from the referee. That rule should be revised as well to try to prevent "quick serving" - if necessary a referee should first give a warning rather than call the score and permit a quick serve.

20June 25, 2021Patty

I am a pickleball instructor of beginner’s and offer them the opportunity to learn both serves. If they are struggling with the traditional serve, I encourage them to try the new drop serve. Almost all of them find it much easier to learn. There is also the advantage of having a different serve available if the person is mentally in a server’s slump, to do something completely different. I don’t see how it hurts to keep it! More tools in the ? toolbox! Thanks so much!

20June 25, 2021Patrick

My comment is regarding the rule on serving from a dropped, bounced ball.

I began playing pickleball less than a year ago, and now I play 3 or 4 times per week. My playing ability is at a 3.0 - 3.5 level. When beginning, I struggled with serving by striking the ball in the air. I tried serving by dropping the ball and letting it bounce. I learned that this type serve gives me a bit more time to strike the ball and made it substantially easier to consistently hit the service area across the net. Therefore, I think this rule is important in allowing more players to learn to play and develop their game.

However, there is another important issue that this rule addresses. The pickleball rules have three requirements that are relevant to the bounce serve. First, the player's arm must be moving in an upward arc. (Rule 4.A.3.) Second, the highest point of the paddle head must not be above the player's wrist. (Rule4.A.4) Lastly, the ball must be struck below the level of the player's waist. (Rule 4.A.5). My observation of non-tournament play is that one or more of these rules is often violated when serving from the air - usually inadvertently. However, when serving from the bounce, it is virtually impossible to violate any of these rules as the ball doesn't bounce high enough to allow any of these three rules to be violated.

If anything is changed regarding the service rule, the Committee should consider banning serving the ball out of the air and requiring that the bounce serve be mandatory.

Thank you for allowing player comment on the Rules as you consider changes for 2022.

23June 7, 2021Pam

Totally agree with the suggestion.

20June 7, 2021Pam

I totally disagree with this change. It will slow down the game and is unnecessary.

83June 25, 2021Nick

Unless I am missing something, rule 6.D.7 does not require an out call at any time.
It does require an in call unless you can clearly see a space between the ball and the line.

86June 25, 2021Nick

This proposal creates too much interpretation as to whether or not the opponents moved far enough out of the way.
The situation covered is a fairly infrequent occurrence. I do not think it is needed.

255July 17, 2021NANCY

I was excited to read this proposal. As an absolute pickleball beginner, with some racquet experienced play, I am disappointed every time I win a rally on a non-served play.
This makes total sense (as it did for volleyball and badminton) and I do hope it gets enacted sooner than later. Tournaments and spectators would love it and the majority of players.

103June 25, 2021Mike

I strongly recommend making drop serve option permanent. I believe it is easier to learn, especially for tennis players. I have been playing for 8 plus years and play everyday with few exceptions. I am 77 and a strong 3.5 perhaps a 4.0 on my good days. As an Ambassador I try to work with newbies as much as possible and am convinced the drop serve is good for the game. Thanks

63June 27, 2021Meri

Hmmm. Not sure i like this change. 2 servers each side is fun. This changes score calling, I like the current system.
Thx.

40June 21, 2021Melody

Giving a second serve opportunity will encourage more players to attempt serves that press the envelope on illegal verses legal motions, since they get a replay. There should be a distinct penalty for illegal serves and the player should not get a do over.

18June 2, 2021Mary

I agree with the suggested rule change.

40June 2, 2021Mary

I dislike this suggested rule change. It will slow down the game.

23June 2, 2021Mary

I disagree with this suggestion. Not replaying let serves has been no big deal in our rec play.

20June 2, 2021Mary

I love the drop serve. It has enhanced my enjoyment of the game.

25June 2, 2021Mary

I agree with having a smaller court for singles.

63July 17, 2021Mary

COORDINATOR PLEASE NOTE: I tried to change Rule ID to 63 re: Rally Point Scoring (RPS) but form would not let me change the No. 7. (Mary - Victoria, BC)
My comments re: RPS are: I would like to see Pickleball move to rally point scoring as the standard primarily because to me it seems more fair for whoever wins a rally to receive a point.

103June 26, 2021Martin

I agree with resuming 0-0- start as the opening score..

I favor retaining the drop serve. It has helped some of my students and allows for some variations in the serve..

40June 21, 2021Marsha

Disagree. This is pickleball, not tennis. A second serve is not necessary since players can accurately serve the ball the vast majority of the time.

39June 21, 2021Marsha

Agree. “Non-volley zone” is a misnomer.

63June 22, 2021Marsha

The traditional method of scoring is one of the features that makes pickleball unique and perfectly challenging, It may take some players more time to grasp the method than others, but it is does not prevent them from immediately enjoying the game and they eventually learn the system. There is nothing wrong with the traditional scoring method so I don't see a need to change it. However, when time is of the essence, rally scoring can be used as a variation.

7June 22, 2021Marsha

I agree with the wording change.

18June 24, 2021Marsha

I agree with this change. No loss or gain of points occurs when the wrong score is called. If an incorrect score is not noted before the ball is served, the rally should not be interrupted; the score should be corrected after the rally is completed.

39June 2, 2021Mark

Non-volley zone is grammatically incorrect. The 'No-volley' zone more accurately describes what a player may not do; no volley's are allowed without penalty. The term no-volley was introduced in the Alternate Rulebook.

20June 25, 2021Mark

I concur with leaving the drop serve as it is now. I am a new pickle ball player and have to play against higher rated players and having several types of serves, from the drop option gives me somewhat of an edge in certain situations. Mixing up the serve, straight across, spin to the left or right keeps the other players "on their toes".

94June 25, 2021Kevin

I concur with the suggested rule change. Giving players the opportunity to ask questions after the score is called is (and will be used as money grows) to disrupt the game. If referred matches the referee looks to both teams to ensure they are ready and at the same time is giving each team/player the opportunity to raise their hand above their head (halting the game) and then asking the score.

86June 25, 2021Kevin

Disagree. No player should be required to yield their side of the net. In fact, if were going to change the rule I would make it a fault to reach over the net in an attempt to play the ball that has backspin and has traveled back over the net without player contact. That's just a great shot.

63June 25, 2021Kevin

No, No, No, No and No.

As a former volleyball player that played before and after the change to rally scoring this dramatically changes the game. Pickleball is a game of momentum. Scoring only when a team serves preserves the ability for the comeback. Rally scoring essentially removes momentum and largely lead changes. With rally scoring (games to 11 or 15) when one team gets up by 3 or 4 points the game is essentially over as it is extremely hard using rally score to come back. If rally score is implemented there will be no more teams that come back from being down 1-9 or 2-8.

If rally score were to ever be implemented the minimum game should be to at least 25 to allow for momentum shifts and it would be even better if it were played to 31. Rally score should never be "win by 1" as that allows a tie game to win on a serve receive.

52June 25, 2021Kevin

Disagree with this proposed rule change as stated. Other rules have been changed to take judgement of the referee out of the game yet this rule brings back that judgement. I realize it was an embarrassing event in a recent tournament when a person served to a paddle laying on the ground but trust me, that was a warning to all players. No player will let this happen again and they will respect the 60 seconds and the 15 second warning.

The proposed new rule will be abused. It won't happen every time but when money is on the line one team will try to take advantage and delay the return to the court. If even by 5 or 10 seconds this is 5 or 10 seconds of rest you have stolen from the team who returned to play within the designated time period. If my team is the one who returns in the allotted time (60 seconds) and the other team does not then that's additional time I must stand in the sun for obeying the rules while they rest (and possibly ice our team's server).

If this rule change gains momentum I would propose 2 alternatives.
1. Keep the rule as is but increase the time out period to 90 seconds and give a 30 second warning, 15 second warning, and 5 second warning.
2. If the rule is changed then make it a mandatory technical warning (technical fault if warning already issued) for any player who does not have a paddle in their hand and ready to play when the timeout expires. This will keep the referees judgement/discretion out of the equation but still keeps the penalty reasonable for not returning at the correct time. If a team does it once then (assuming they have not already received a warning) then this is a slap on the wrist but has teeth for someone who is abuse the system.

 Rule Change ID Submitted From Comment