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 Rule Change ID Submitted From Comment
138July 4, 2021Don

This rule was changed specifically in a global effort to remove many of the "gotcha" faults that occurred before the ball was served. The starting server form of identification (Band) is the key. As long as the "band" player starts serving and receiving (assuming a 0-0 score) the actual players and player's names are irrelevant for fault calling purposes. The scoresheet is NOT the key as this is only an aid for the referee to keep track of who is supposed to be serving and receiving. The game is about the players; not the referee.

123July 4, 2021Don

For clarity, I (Don Stanley) stated that as a referee, I would blame myself for not removing all balls as this is now a safety issue. I would call for a replay in this situation based on referee error.
Also, the wording of the new rule NOW OPENS the door for players to claim they have a right to carry spare balls. For safety and to keep down arguments, all balls should be removed from the playing area specifically to avoid these situations. Nothing good can come from having another ball on the court during a match.

123July 4, 2021Don

With this rule change, we are now allowing players to carry balls on their person and in the event that a ball falls out and the opponents stop play for hinder or safety concerns, we now have to call a fault on them? What if one of the opponents did not see the ball fall out of a pocket and out of habit calls "ball on". Are they now supposed to be faulted for being "habitually safe"? No good can come from allowing players to carry balls on the court.

112July 4, 2021Don

So nothing was mentioned about how the receiving team would "line up". I assume they would still line up according to their score? So after a side out, the serving team has 4 and the receiving team has 5. So the starting server (band) player would serve from the left court to the banded player on the receiving team. I can see the merit on making it easier on the ref for the serving team, but it seems like more thought is going to be needed to ensure the receiving team's correct receiver.

7July 5, 2021Don

1. Why have a rule if it has no teeth? (Disagreement equals replay).
2. Guideline is inconsistent with broken/cracked ball rule. For a broken/cracked ball if all players don't agree, rally stands. With 13D1b, if all players don't agree, then replay. Inconsistent.

93July 5, 2021Don

I have believed for over a year now that only allowing 1 verbal warning per match gives an unfair "help" to the team getting close to crossing the line. If you have one team using profanity and then the ref gives a global VW, all the ref did was help ONE TEAM to not get close to getting a TW/TF. This is unbalanced. The ability to give each team a verbal warning (for whatever reason) is a GREAT game management tool the refs can implement.

86July 5, 2021Don

Why should my opponent have more rights to my court space than I do? Under certain conditions (hitting the ball then crossing, following the ball back over after backspin) it is reasonable to allow a player to cross into my court space. BUT, this does not mean that I need to concede any space on my side of the net. You play on your side and I'll play on mine.

85July 5, 2021Don

Completely disagree with this entire concept. The current plane of the net rules allow for understandable crossing of the plane with certain limitations. A hard question is this: Why should a player be allowed to use the opponent's court space to aid in their shot? Stay on your side until you comply with the current rules of when you can cross. Crossing the plane rules are not hard to enforce especially when you have a straight line visual aid being the net as a guide. If these rules are removed, this will open a pandora's box of arguments concerning distractions.

52July 5, 2021Don

A referee has many tools to use when getting players back playing. The same guidelines for getting them back playing after a time-out are used after every single rally; call the score when players should be ready. This is ALL you need to control the pace and flow of the game. Remove the handcuffs and let the referees control the flow of the game. This overly punitive and embarrassing for the sport rule needs to be corrected. It is an embarrassment to everyone involved and unnecessary.

31July 5, 2021Don

A referee can always call a TW/TF after the rally has completed and this prevents a referee from inserting themselves before the rally has ended. No rush needed.

20July 5, 2021Bob

Support rule change in its entirety, consolidating the 2 serves with no paddle restrictions and contact of the ball below waist should standardize the rule and eliminate controversy on paddle position.

40July 5, 2021Bill

This rule change would greatly increase the time required for a game.
PICKLEBALL DOES NOT NEED TO BE MORE LIKE TENNIS.

34July 5, 2021Bill

... unless the player can clearly see that the ball contacted the court outside the line.

25July 5, 2021Bill

I disagree that without changing the lines for a singles game the growth of pickleball will be impeded. I'm 78 and sometimes play singles, but more often "skinny" singles that requires focus and more accuracy.
PICKLEBALL DOES NOT NEED TO BECOME MORE LIKE TENNIS.

23July 5, 2021Bill

From my point of view as a referee I like the rule as it is. I never had a "phantom let" before, but I feel the current rule is no problem and removes the opportunity for mischief (integrity and sportsmanship). I have refereed PPA and Regionals although not 500 matches. Note that both sides of the net play with the same net, temporary or permanent.

20July 6, 2021Jim

I fully support the rule 'changes' as itemized. I am the Ambassador for Port Orange, Florida. I / We have held a 'beginner's skills and drills' training session every week for more than 4 years (as practical). We have worked with more than 250 beginners over that time period. The single skill that causes the most difficulty for beginners - especially those whom have had no or minimal previous experience with hand-eye-coordination sports - is the serve. We have found that, using the 'drop serve' technique, 3 of 4 beginners are able to make 3 of 4 serves after one lesson-session, Additionally, as a 72 year old player who suddenly got a serious case of the 'yips', I have found the 'drop serve' to be a very useful technique to regain confidence and expedite the game.

In summary, by greatly increasing the percentage of serves most players can execute properly, the 'drop serve' technique makes the game more enjoyable for all players who need the alternative approach, and for those whom are playing in games with someone who 'needs' the technique to get their serves in!

Regards,
Jim Pawela

40July 6, 2021Terry

I believe the rule should stand to equalize the potential scoring possibilities for the first serving team compared to the receiving team

7July 6, 2021Terry

I agree with change.

29July 8, 2021Don

If the Ref waits until the ball is dead before calling a TF, then 2 scenarios can occur:

1. Player A (serving side) commits a TF event and opposing Player B hits the ball into the net. Player B loses the point, and Player A also loses a point so the score remains the same.

2. Player A (serving side) commits a TF event and Player B hits a winning shot. Player A loses the rally and Player A also loses a point for the TF.

Too complex.
When a TF should be called, then play should be halted immediately. If a Ref is slow in calling the TF, then when he calls the TF, it should take precedence over that play, and the Rally should not count.

186July 8, 2021judy

Rule 186 hit wrong number can’t change it

Drop or regular
Two rules:
1) upward motion
2) contact below waist

Why? You can spin it anyway without the below the wrist rule.

For refs, the above the waist rule is almost impossible to call. Even slow mo demos are not clear.

Regular serves can provide as much spin as the drop. Trust me on that one.

Keep drop and regular. Remove third requirement about the wrist.

112July 8, 2021Tim

A big advantage of this would be that BOTH TEAMS know exactly where to stand and exactly who is serving just by knowing the score.

20July 10, 2021Dave

Disagree wholeheartedly on the top of the paddleface issue. The idea is to prevent players from serving sideways. Sidewinders are legal in baseball, not pickleball. The upward swing is what makes picklball unique and allows all people of any level to play and compete. Anything that even remotely appears to be sideways should simply be illegal. Way to close to the waist. Most recreational players cannot even return those serves. Wow, that is fun and enjoyable. Most people that get 4-5 points on serves almost always win. Wow, that really makes the game fun to play. Not. If we allow all these people to push the envelope then we might as well quit playing pickleball and go back to playing tennis. I don’t even know how you can hit a ball that is below the waist with the paddleface above the break in the wrist. Appears to defy physics. A ball below the waist is below the net and must be hit in an upward motion, no matter how imperceptible, or it will not clear the net.
The introduction of the drop serve really screwed up the game of pickleball and opened up a Pandora’s Box that will never be closed. Get rid of it.
This guy’s suggestion that the original rules of serving should remain in effect for all serves (especially the drop serve) is right on the nut. And the comment that “the previous statements do not apply” (bullet number four under the section on serving in the alternate rule book) has got to go. The ensuing confusion will never go away. I didn’t appreciate the cheater who misinterpreted that statement to mean that he could serve anyway he wanted on the drop serve (including above the waist) getting nose to nose with me and spitting in my face.

40July 10, 2021Dave

If you allow the starting team to have two serves the advantage will be overwhelming and unfair. To the point of being unsportsmanlike. The game only goes to eleven. I have been pickled 25 times. With that rule it would have been closer to 50. Getting pickled is no fun. The receiving team will often be severely behind before they even get a chance to serve. IF they get a chance to serve. Such a game will probably last for about…2 minutes. Simply put, the starting team will win the vast majority of the games.

109July 10, 2021Dave

It is not difficult at all to determine the level of the navel, but top of hip isn’t that bad either. Because the navel is at the same exact height. The best rule would simply state that “ The ball must be served BELOW the navel. If any part of the ball touches the navel that is a fault.” The navel would provide a good reference point. Bob is on to something though. “The ball must be served below the top of the hip bone” would also work.
The word that really has to go is “waist.” A hip bone is about 8 inches in height. You can fit more than three pickleballs in that space!!! Thus the waist is not a reference point. Hence the difficulty in determining if a serve is legal or not. The navel and top of the hip are.
Like I said, Bob is on to something and I agree with his concept. It has actually been one of my pet peeves and I have been trying to submit the same rule change but have not been able to figure out how. It’s July 9th and the deadline is July 10th. Mark Piefer told me that he has authorized my submission but I don’t really know what that means. Does that mean he sent it in or do I still have to do it? I would prefer not to have to wait until next year to submit my idea.

20July 10, 2021Dave

I don’t know the name of the dude that submitted this because it’s not listed, but he is incredibly confused. And there is no such thing as a bounce serve. The only point stated that makes any sense is to “re-establish the original rules of serving for all serves, including the drop serve.”
Now Tom, on the other hand, has submitted the best comment that I have ever seen on this website. Read Tom’s reply and apply it to the letter and you will successfully return pickleball to the game it should be!!!

103July 10, 2021Dave

Totally agree with submitter!!!!! The key part of the uniqueness of the game of pickleball was the serve. Anybody could play. Until the cheater, ace, wicked, sidearm, smash, over the waist, drop serve came into play. Now pickleball is just like any other sport. Not social, not fun. Just constant frustration. The competitive players are ruining recreational play with the help of… the drop serve. Yes, they should go to competitive play. But they are not. They are just beating up on old ladies and senior citizens, many of whom have various levels of disabilities. Big whoop. The Bainbridge Island Boys must be turning over in their graves.

91July 10, 2021Dave

Many pickleball paddles are legal according to all parameters and are only classified as illegal because they didn’t go thru the approval process. In other words they are legal in every sense except for the fact that they don’t have a USAPA Approved stamp on them. Bogus. For all practical intents and purposes my paddle is legal. I should not be punished because of a technicality. To check a paddle for all of the required parameters (weight, height, width, etc.), how hard can it be? Should take about a minute.
Players should be allowed to request that their paddles be checked instead of being forced to go out and buy another paddle.

103July 10, 2021Dave

Totally agree with submitter!!!!! The key part of the uniqueness of the game of pickleball was the serve. Anybody could play. Until the cheater, ace, wicked, sidearm, smash, over the waist, drop serve came into play. Now pickleball is just like any other sport. Not social, not fun. Just constant frustration. The competitive players are ruining recreational play with the help of… the drop serve. Yes, they should go to competitive play. But they are not. They are just beating up on old ladies and senior citizens, many of whom have various levels of disabilities. Big whoop. The Bainbridge Island Boys must be turning over in their graves.

168July 12, 2021Kevin

Under the Proposed Rule if my paddle were to touch in the NVZ prior to striking the ball it would not be a fault, assuming my feet are on the ground outside of the kitchen. My paddle touches the kitchen as I start my swing and I reestablish my position outside of the NVZ between the time my paddle lifts off the surface and before I hit the ball.

The intent of the proposed rule change has merit but I don't think the wording is quite right.

146July 12, 2021Kevin

Player officiated rather than Self Officiated

13July 12, 2021Kevin

Research indicates that the ball is only in contact with the paddle for 2-3 milliseconds. Humans are unable to process visual images in that time frame. The problem with the "Paddle above the wrist" rule is that it for many side arm servers it is pretty much impossible to distinguish between a barely legal serve and a barely illegal serve. It simply happens too fast. Even if you do a slow motion video of some of these servers it can be hard to distinguish with certainty.

The tradeoff here is that it is really hard to hit the ball significantly above your waist and keep the the paddle head below your waist. (Exception: Lob serve) If you try to hit the ball above your waist and your paddle head below your wrist you will end up with an awkward "chicken wing" serve.

20July 14, 2021Clint

In my opinion the drop serve should be retained if for the following reasons:
1) Having helped 50 plus people, from 7 to 83 years old, learn the drop serve makes it much easier to teach. It takes away the timed release required for conventional serve.
2) As a referee for tournaments it is much easier to rule validity of serve vs. conventional serve which demands considerable judgement by the ref.
3) Allows for more variation of serve for spin.
4) Not as controversial as the "chainsaw serve" which is yet another referee nightmare.

40July 14, 2021David

This is unnecessary. The team that wins the toss will have too much advantage. Beginners will eventually learn the correct score. Bad rule change.

20July 14, 2021David

Keep the drop!

It is easier for a lot of beginners.

The chainsaw serve could ruin pickleball if enough people learn to do it well enough (I can), but mandating the drop serve could easily eliminate the chainsaw serve.

Keep the drop, lose the chainsaw!

63July 16, 2021Praveen

I totally agree with all the points outlined above. Plus the beauty of our sport is its inclusiveness to all skill level, age, socioeconomic status / very accessible financially compared to many other sports. And the biggest related reason is because it’s so popular with people waiting on the sidelines, you can end games quicker & rotate in faster so more inclusive that way, too.

255July 17, 2021NANCY

I was excited to read this proposal. As an absolute pickleball beginner, with some racquet experienced play, I am disappointed every time I win a rally on a non-served play.
This makes total sense (as it did for volleyball and badminton) and I do hope it gets enacted sooner than later. Tournaments and spectators would love it and the majority of players.

63July 17, 2021Mary

COORDINATOR PLEASE NOTE: I tried to change Rule ID to 63 re: Rally Point Scoring (RPS) but form would not let me change the No. 7. (Mary - Victoria, BC)
My comments re: RPS are: I would like to see Pickleball move to rally point scoring as the standard primarily because to me it seems more fair for whoever wins a rally to receive a point.

109July 18, 2021Jan

I agree that the rule that the paddle must be below the wrist is way to confusing to implement and will lead to arguments that could not be resolved on court. The game has evolved and less restrictions should be placed on the serve. The below the hip is all we need.

63July 19, 2021david

The rally point should be adapted as soon as possible. The advantage is obvious. I think the pickleball is the only sport stuck in the past and did not keep up with time. I'm glad to see that the association is ready to move forward.

 Rule Change ID Submitted From Comment