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 Rule Change ID Submitted From Comment
63June 25, 2021Sam

I believe clarification is needed about whether service switches to the other team member each time a team gains possession of the ball for serving or if one team member continues to serve for the entire game. Also, whether service during a possession always starts from the right side of the court or starts from whichever side the designated server is currently on.

103June 26, 2021Jeff

I believe the drop serve is a good option to have especially for beginners and juniors who are new to the game, its important to look at the bigger picture not the sport is growing internationally, so there is not much issue with 0-0-2 or 0-0-start it is just how it is explained to the individual.

40July 6, 2021Terry

I believe the rule should stand to equalize the potential scoring possibilities for the first serving team compared to the receiving team

20June 25, 2021Mark

I concur with leaving the drop serve as it is now. I am a new pickle ball player and have to play against higher rated players and having several types of serves, from the drop option gives me somewhat of an edge in certain situations. Mixing up the serve, straight across, spin to the left or right keeps the other players "on their toes".

94June 25, 2021Kevin

I concur with the suggested rule change. Giving players the opportunity to ask questions after the score is called is (and will be used as money grows) to disrupt the game. If referred matches the referee looks to both teams to ensure they are ready and at the same time is giving each team/player the opportunity to raise their hand above their head (halting the game) and then asking the score.

23June 25, 2021Bob

I concur. The removal of let serves creates an inherrant safety issue, especially for older players.

25July 5, 2021Bill

I disagree that without changing the lines for a singles game the growth of pickleball will be impeded. I'm 78 and sometimes play singles, but more often "skinny" singles that requires focus and more accuracy.

103June 26, 2021Aimee

I disagree vehemently. The drop serve should stay. It is easy to learn, is legal and a good way for beginners to learn a serve. It also is a strategic skill for ace serves! IMO It stays!!!!

23June 2, 2021Mary

I disagree with this suggestion. Not replaying let serves has been no big deal in our rec play.

40June 2, 2021Mary

I dislike this suggested rule change. It will slow down the game.

174June 27, 2021Robert

I do not like this proposed rule change as I feel it would give too much advantage to the team which serves 1st

40June 3, 2021Peter

I do not see the benefit of the second serve. Pickleball is not tennis and it will slow down the game (many times, players are waiting for the game to conclude, due to limited court availability).

27June 25, 2021Kevin

I don't personally have a problem with the spin/chainsaw/zane/morgan serving. That said, it should be all or nothing. The other comment suggesting "some" spin be allowed brings judgement as to what is too much or how the spin was generated.

20July 10, 2021Dave

I don’t know the name of the dude that submitted this because it’s not listed, but he is incredibly confused. And there is no such thing as a bounce serve. The only point stated that makes any sense is to “re-establish the original rules of serving for all serves, including the drop serve.”
Now Tom, on the other hand, has submitted the best comment that I have ever seen on this website. Read Tom’s reply and apply it to the letter and you will successfully return pickleball to the game it should be!!!

11June 7, 2021Darla

I easily explain this to people to whom I teach pickleball that the starting server of the game is *functioning* as the second server for the side, so they start with 2. No one I know struggles with this after playing for about a week. It's a fun, unique aspect to the game.

40June 20, 2021Alan

I feel implementing this change would have two consequential side effects that I would argue against implementing this rule.

1) A second serve has the potential to extend the time required to complete a game.

2) It introduces the ability to be really aggressive on a first serve which goes against the idea of the rally being where the point should be earned and not the serve. The receiving team/player in pickleball should have the advantage at the start and not the serving team.

20July 6, 2021Jim

I fully support the rule 'changes' as itemized. I am the Ambassador for Port Orange, Florida. I / We have held a 'beginner's skills and drills' training session every week for more than 4 years (as practical). We have worked with more than 250 beginners over that time period. The single skill that causes the most difficulty for beginners - especially those whom have had no or minimal previous experience with hand-eye-coordination sports - is the serve. We have found that, using the 'drop serve' technique, 3 of 4 beginners are able to make 3 of 4 serves after one lesson-session, Additionally, as a 72 year old player who suddenly got a serious case of the 'yips', I have found the 'drop serve' to be a very useful technique to regain confidence and expedite the game.

In summary, by greatly increasing the percentage of serves most players can execute properly, the 'drop serve' technique makes the game more enjoyable for all players who need the alternative approach, and for those whom are playing in games with someone who 'needs' the technique to get their serves in!

Jim Pawela

62June 25, 2021Bill

I had also submitted a change on this same issue (and it was flagged as a duplicate of this item). I recommend changing it to the point that the referee or any player leaves the court. At the end of a match, it takes a bit of time for the referee to gather the ball, mark the score sheet properly and have one of the winners initial the recorded scores. This amount of time is typically longer that the time between rallies during normal play. If someone wishes to challenge an incorrect player or position (or appeal an "out" call), this should be done promptly. It is also very difficult to call players back to a court once they have left they have left.

93July 5, 2021Don

I have believed for over a year now that only allowing 1 verbal warning per match gives an unfair "help" to the team getting close to crossing the line. If you have one team using profanity and then the ref gives a global VW, all the ref did was help ONE TEAM to not get close to getting a TW/TF. This is unbalanced. The ability to give each team a verbal warning (for whatever reason) is a GREAT game management tool the refs can implement.

52June 21, 2021Alan

I like this change and how it allows the referee a little leeway in getting the game back going. If this is not the desired result, maybe move the warning back to 20 seconds to allow players more time to get back to the court. On hot long days, it tends to take players a little longer to get back on the court.

20June 2, 2021Mary

I love the drop serve. It has enhanced my enjoyment of the game.

20July 3, 2021Darla

I previously submitted a drop serve rule change suggestion, but I do like this option better. With both serves, traditional and drop, require nothing other than hitting the ball below the waist and an upward arc. Those would be the only two things a ref would need to watch for; the same two things for both serves. I can only imagine this would be much easier for the ref, without changing really anything about the serves themselves. Good thoughts, this.

103June 25, 2021Mike

I strongly recommend making drop serve option permanent. I believe it is easier to learn, especially for tennis players. I have been playing for 8 plus years and play everyday with few exceptions. I am 77 and a strong 3.5 perhaps a 4.0 on my good days. As an Ambassador I try to work with newbies as much as possible and am convinced the drop serve is good for the game. Thanks

103June 25, 2021Sydney

I think it is unnecessary to change the serve format. You are meddling with the guts and integrity of the game. A big part of the reward in sports is mastery of the game, not changing it!

112June 27, 2021Tim

I think this proposed change has some merit. I’m also a referee and it would make our jobs a little easier. Starting servers on each team would still wear the server bands (as the #1 server throughout the game) and keeping track of correct player positions would still be necessary for refs and players. But, it would certainly make determining who is the correct server easier for all concerned.

27June 20, 2021Alan

I think we need to look at removing the spin as an advantage in the serve in steps rather than trying to jump to little/no spin only. A good first step might be no aided spin allowed. This would eliminate spinning the ball off the paddle or off another body part. A server could still flick the ball in their hand to generate some spin, but this does not create as much of an advantage.

109June 27, 2021Robert

I totally agree that the underhand serve is commonly violated to gain speed, lower trajectory, and increase ball spin. I also agree that the hip vs waist change might help. However I feel that the main violation is that the underhand motion requirement is the the most violated principal. Most servers are using a side arm motion and bringing the paddle across the body during the follow through instead of maintaining the specified underhand motion. I believe that the follow through should continue a upward motion after the initial contact with the ball

63July 16, 2021Praveen

I totally agree with all the points outlined above. Plus the beauty of our sport is its inclusiveness to all skill level, age, socioeconomic status / very accessible financially compared to many other sports. And the biggest related reason is because it’s so popular with people waiting on the sidelines, you can end games quicker & rotate in faster so more inclusive that way, too.

20June 7, 2021Pam

I totally disagree with this change. It will slow down the game and is unnecessary.

255July 17, 2021NANCY

I was excited to read this proposal. As an absolute pickleball beginner, with some racquet experienced play, I am disappointed every time I win a rally on a non-served play.
This makes total sense (as it did for volleyball and badminton) and I do hope it gets enacted sooner than later. Tournaments and spectators would love it and the majority of players.

52June 27, 2021Tim

I’m a Level 2 referee. I would leave time outs at 60 seconds total but increase the notice to 20 seconds from the current 15 seconds to give players more time to know they must return to the court to resume play.

103June 26, 2021Janet

I’m an Ambassador, give weekly lessons.
please consider KEEPING the DROP SERVE.
Most of my beginner students find it easier.
It’s also an immediate confidence builder for new players.
We want people to become ‘addicted’…have fun fast, this drop serve helps!

63June 25, 2021Jameson

I’ve only tried rally point scoring once, in a king of the court type of scenario. Players found it confusing to who is serving and how people switch sides, also adding points to the score of the side that was not serving but won the rally.

I like the idea of rally points scoring, as the OP suggests it makes a more consistent time for games, and adds excitement and speed. I do however think it needs careful simulation and refinement on how serving and scoring works in the rally scenario. One advantage in side out scoring is that everyone gets a chance to serve fairly consistently, and it’s fairly easy to track who’s service it is.

I think clarity in the rules should be around who serves after a side out, which side do they serve from, how do players change sides, do sides get second serves. Best of three games, rotate after each game.

29July 8, 2021Don

If the Ref waits until the ball is dead before calling a TF, then 2 scenarios can occur:

1. Player A (serving side) commits a TF event and opposing Player B hits the ball into the net. Player B loses the point, and Player A also loses a point so the score remains the same.

2. Player A (serving side) commits a TF event and Player B hits a winning shot. Player A loses the rally and Player A also loses a point for the TF.

Too complex.
When a TF should be called, then play should be halted immediately. If a Ref is slow in calling the TF, then when he calls the TF, it should take precedence over that play, and the Rally should not count.

40July 10, 2021Dave

If you allow the starting team to have two serves the advantage will be overwhelming and unfair. To the point of being unsportsmanlike. The game only goes to eleven. I have been pickled 25 times. With that rule it would have been closer to 50. Getting pickled is no fun. The receiving team will often be severely behind before they even get a chance to serve. IF they get a chance to serve. Such a game will probably last for about…2 minutes. Simply put, the starting team will win the vast majority of the games.

32June 20, 2021Alan

If you remove the phrase "after the serve" and leave in "while the ball is live/in-play", you still have the same rule though. Taking this out and calling a fault for flicking a ball off the paddle for a serve would also introduce the side effect of having a fault called while the ball is no live/in-play which was changed in 2021 to simply when faults were called.

20July 14, 2021Clint

In my opinion the drop serve should be retained if for the following reasons:
1) Having helped 50 plus people, from 7 to 83 years old, learn the drop serve makes it much easier to teach. It takes away the timed release required for conventional serve.
2) As a referee for tournaments it is much easier to rule validity of serve vs. conventional serve which demands considerable judgement by the ref.
3) Allows for more variation of serve for spin.
4) Not as controversial as the "chainsaw serve" which is yet another referee nightmare.

156July 4, 2021Don

In the suggested rule change, who exactly is the player calling "out" on the wide serve? If it is the serving team calling "out" before the ball bounces in the opponent's court, that would undoubtedly be a distraction fault against the serving team. If it was the receiving team yelling "out", they are completely within their rights to do so while the ball is in the air.

34June 25, 2021joe

In/Out line calls stimulate the most controversy I've experienced in matches. I believe that is true because the present rule book is unclear. Most players play under the "suggested" rule that if an opponent calls a ball out it is out and not just a matter of good sportsmanship to remain silent even if there is disagreement between the calling team members. I believe the USAP rule book should clearly state what is a rule and what is recommended to encourage sportsmanship and harmonious play. Do overs are not generally part of the game and could become intolerable if used to resolve all the disputes that may arise if every action can be disputed. However; few beginners and many long time players do not pay attention to the point of contact when calling balls in or out and instead rely exclusively on visual observation, even from across the court or worse that the ball must have been out because it was unreachable.

27June 11, 2021Jordan

Instead of "no spin" on serve, I think just outlawing creating spin with both hands would be sufficient.. In other words, one hand only for the toss, one hand to hit with the paddle..

I agree that outlawing the crazy amount of spin that can be accumulated with 2 hands is a good thing for the game long term..

11June 20, 2021Alan

Introducing the word "start" into the score call cadence will only result in more confusion I feel. As a new player, the understanding that you call a 1 or a 2 to denote if they are the 1st or 2nd server after each team's score is knowledge they should learn as they first start playing.

109July 10, 2021Dave

It is not difficult at all to determine the level of the navel, but top of hip isn’t that bad either. Because the navel is at the same exact height. The best rule would simply state that “ The ball must be served BELOW the navel. If any part of the ball touches the navel that is a fault.” The navel would provide a good reference point. Bob is on to something though. “The ball must be served below the top of the hip bone” would also work.
The word that really has to go is “waist.” A hip bone is about 8 inches in height. You can fit more than three pickleballs in that space!!! Thus the waist is not a reference point. Hence the difficulty in determining if a serve is legal or not. The navel and top of the hip are.
Like I said, Bob is on to something and I agree with his concept. It has actually been one of my pet peeves and I have been trying to submit the same rule change but have not been able to figure out how. It’s July 9th and the deadline is July 10th. Mark Piefer told me that he has authorized my submission but I don’t really know what that means. Does that mean he sent it in or do I still have to do it? I would prefer not to have to wait until next year to submit my idea.

23June 26, 2021jeff

Its my believe that the no let serve rule was a positive change to the game, it promotes a better flow of the game and it cancels out false net calls, there is a lot of noise about this rule change because people resist change.

29June 22, 2021Andrew

Just like to say I agree with this rule change! I can tell you in other sports with more mature rule books this is the case.

20July 14, 2021David

Keep the drop!

It is easier for a lot of beginners.

The chainsaw serve could ruin pickleball if enough people learn to do it well enough (I can), but mandating the drop serve could easily eliminate the chainsaw serve.

Keep the drop, lose the chainsaw!

8June 26, 2021Bill

Losing a point (or adding one point to the opponent) is a strong deterrent to bad behavior. Keep it as it is.

91July 10, 2021Dave

Many pickleball paddles are legal according to all parameters and are only classified as illegal because they didn’t go thru the approval process. In other words they are legal in every sense except for the fact that they don’t have a USAPA Approved stamp on them. Bogus. For all practical intents and purposes my paddle is legal. I should not be punished because of a technicality. To check a paddle for all of the required parameters (weight, height, width, etc.), how hard can it be? Should take about a minute.
Players should be allowed to request that their paddles be checked instead of being forced to go out and buy another paddle.

20June 25, 2021Patrick

My comment is regarding the rule on serving from a dropped, bounced ball.

I began playing pickleball less than a year ago, and now I play 3 or 4 times per week. My playing ability is at a 3.0 - 3.5 level. When beginning, I struggled with serving by striking the ball in the air. I tried serving by dropping the ball and letting it bounce. I learned that this type serve gives me a bit more time to strike the ball and made it substantially easier to consistently hit the service area across the net. Therefore, I think this rule is important in allowing more players to learn to play and develop their game.

However, there is another important issue that this rule addresses. The pickleball rules have three requirements that are relevant to the bounce serve. First, the player's arm must be moving in an upward arc. (Rule 4.A.3.) Second, the highest point of the paddle head must not be above the player's wrist. (Rule4.A.4) Lastly, the ball must be struck below the level of the player's waist. (Rule 4.A.5). My observation of non-tournament play is that one or more of these rules is often violated when serving from the air - usually inadvertently. However, when serving from the bounce, it is virtually impossible to violate any of these rules as the ball doesn't bounce high enough to allow any of these three rules to be violated.

If anything is changed regarding the service rule, the Committee should consider banning serving the ball out of the air and requiring that the bounce serve be mandatory.

Thank you for allowing player comment on the Rules as you consider changes for 2022.

26June 22, 2021Don

My hearing aids are also blue tooth and allow me to hear my phone ring and listen to the caller without anyone else hearing it. It will work at about 20 feet from the phone. You could try to force players to disable blue tooth, but if the phone is on the sideline, the person holding it could quickly enable blue tooth and then call the phone to talk to the player.
My playing ability is better with correct hearing, and I can easily hear the referee and also the "pop" of the ball being hit by the opponents, which is important in my reaction time.

63June 25, 2021Kevin

No, No, No, No and No.

As a former volleyball player that played before and after the change to rally scoring this dramatically changes the game. Pickleball is a game of momentum. Scoring only when a team serves preserves the ability for the comeback. Rally scoring essentially removes momentum and largely lead changes. With rally scoring (games to 11 or 15) when one team gets up by 3 or 4 points the game is essentially over as it is extremely hard using rally score to come back. If rally score is implemented there will be no more teams that come back from being down 1-9 or 2-8.

If rally score were to ever be implemented the minimum game should be to at least 25 to allow for momentum shifts and it would be even better if it were played to 31. Rally score should never be "win by 1" as that allows a tie game to win on a serve receive.

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