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1838May 15, 2024Andrew

Great suggestion. If it's a 3 way tie and you use point differential to pick the 1st team of the 3, you should also use point differential to pick the 2nd and 3rd teams.

Consider the way it is done in the NFL: https://www.nfl.com/standings/tie-breaking-procedures. If it's a 3+ way tie, they move down the tiebreaker list to try to separate the teams. If there is a way to distinguish the teams at any level of the tiebreaker, they break all ties possible at that point. If there continues to be a tie between any of the teams, then they restart the tiebreaker process just with that set of teams.

Taking that to pickleball, in a 3-way tie you would first look at head-to-head. If it was even there, then you look at point differential in all matches. If that produces a clear separation between the 3 teams, then the tiebreaker is over and you can rank the 3 teams. If it's a 3-way tie on that still then you move to head-to-head point differential. But if there is a clear winner or loser on this tiebreaker and the other two teams are tied, then that one team is removed from the tiebreaker and you would restart the tiebreaker process with just the 2 teams. At this point you'd start back with head-to-head, but only because those two teams were still tied when part of the tiebreaker started to separate the 3 teams.

It would probably be beneficial to add this wording to the rule, like you see in the NFL rules:
(Note: If multiple teams remain tied after one-or-more teams are eliminated during any step, tiebreaker restarts at 12.C.4.a for just those teams.)

1838May 15, 2024Andrew

Additionally, here is the tiebreaker language used in the NBA for 3+ teams (http://global.nba.com/standings/):

(2) If a tie involves more than two teams, the tie-break criteria in subparagraph b. shall be applied in the order set forth therein until the first to occur of the following:
(a) Each of the tied teams has a different winning percentage or point differential under the applicable tie-break criterion (a “complete” breaking of the tie). In this circumstance, the team with the best winning percentage or point differential under the criterion will be awarded the best playoff position, the team with the next-best winning percentage or point differential will be awarded the next-best playoff position, and so on, and no further application of the tie-break criteria will be required.
-- OR --
(b) One or more (but not all) of the tied teams has a different winning percentage or point differential under the applicable tie-break criterion (a “partial” breaking of the tie). In this circumstance: (x) any team(s) that performed better under the applicable criterion than any other team(s) will be awarded a higher playoff position than such other team(s); and (y) teams that had equivalent performance under the applicable criterion will remain tied, and such remaining tie(s) will be broken by applying, from the beginning, the criteria in subparagraph a.(1)-(6) above (for any remaining tie involving only two teams) or subparagraph b.(1)-(5) above (for any remaining tie involving more than two teams) and the guidelines set forth in this subparagraph c.

Looking at this, it's important to note that at any level of a tiebreaker between 3 teams, you will have one of 4 scenarios:
- All teams are tied based on that particular tiebreaker. Must move to next level of the tiebreaker.
- One team wins the tiebreaker but the other two teams are tied. The two remaining teams should restart the tiebreaking process to determine who is 2nd and 3rd.
- One team loses the tiebreaker but the other two teams are tied. The two remaining teams should restart the tiebreaking process to determine who is 1st and 2nd.
- All teams are completely separated based on that particular tiebreaker. Should just rank the 3 teams in order and be done. The current USAP rulebook just picks the 1st team in this scenario and then restarts the tiebreaker from the beginning for the other two teams. This proposed rule would change this process so that USAP is similar to the NFL, NBA, and other sports leagues in handling tiebreakers.

1838May 29, 2024Randi

When considering this change, remember there may be 4 or even 5 teams tied with the same number of wins, not just 2 or 3. And, no , I'm not just making this up. I have experienced a 5-way tie for 1st place in a 7-team round-robin bracket.

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